Part 2

Steve: I can foresee a situation where you have a boy, and let's say the boy could get back here, situation, let's say it's a boy that's not particularly strong and he's not a great hockey player, but he for what ever reason because his sister is on the team has always played on this team. That could happen. I mean he's not charging around hitting girls and he wants to play on the team. I could see the coach say yeah, and if all the other teams agreed, why not? I just don't see it's a fundamental human right. Sean: So when you carry over something like auto racing, how do you look at it then?

Steve: I think the organizers of an auto racing track can decide. Either we think it's appropriate, we think that's great. It's good for the sport, it's good for PR, it's brings in more women fans, whatever. Maybe it's a good idea. Jill: Or that one particular woman is good enough, whatever. It should be an individual basis.

Sean: But, yeah, you're both contradicting. You're saying it's regardless of quality. It's just about whether the organizers want to have it that way and you're saying whether it's the person's talented or not enough, talented enough or not. Steve: Yeah, but you're unlikely, I mean the person has to compete. Sean: Right.

Steve: So if the person is not, if a woman A is not a good car driver, she won't last very long. Sean: But what if she is? What is she is Danika, the Indy car racer that came in third in her first time at Indianapolis? What if the Indy car thing said, well, we're just not going to have women allowed. She's obviously proven herself to be as good as any of the men out there. Mark: But that's a different situation I think. There is no women's car racing circuit. There is one car racing circuit so if there is one hockey league boys and girls play in it.

Sean: But there is no NHL for women at the same level.

Mark: If they could make the NHL they could play in the NHL. The reality is as they get older they really can't compete at the same level. Sean: Right.

Mark: It's just prolonging the length of time they can compete with the boys. In this case, these girls yeah, I'm sure they're good. But at a certain point they won't be able to compete with the boys anymore. So, when's that point? The odd exception might get through and then Manon Rheaume played goal in the minors. Half that was a publicity stunt. If the reality is it's a very tough game to compete with the boys in because of a physical aspect. Steve: And, in that sense you know, racing car driver, I mean you know you're not physically, your body is not an issue. You're sitting behind a car. Sean: Well, it is a huge issue but it's not, you don't have to hit someone else. Steve: It's not physically demanding. Sean: It's physically demanding, but correct. Steve: Right, but physically demanding in a way that one could easily see a situation where there are quite a number of women would be very competitive.

Mark: In golf, I could see if the women can hit or they are more consistent or they are better putters, I mean, that's perfectly conceivable and then I guess the only issue then is, why have a women's tour? Just have different levels of tour. And, then of course, given the physical characteristics or the physical differences there is going to be a lot fewer women golfers that are going to make money at it.